Coronavirus is a fraud

For the past two or three weeks, I've been doing a lot of research, and that's my conclusion. First of all, the world leaders knew about it before it happened: http://www.centerforhealthsecurity.org/event201. Tests are only 20% accurate: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32133832/. Death rates are faked: https://raypeatforum.com/community/threads/coronavirus-how-come-germans-have-40-times-less-chances-to-die-than-italians.33229/page-4#post-506898 - the patients really die from other diseases or old age. They're using it to control people: https://www.general-anzeiger-bonn.de/ga-english/news/gatherings-of-more-than-two-people-are-banned_aid-49694217. I have much, much more - the evidence is irrefutable. I haven't spoken about it on MTF since people are in full "we're going to die!" mode and cannot be reasoned with. But maybe I will use this thread to dump my research.

You really think so?  Interesting theory.  Thanks for the links.  Yes, please use this thread to share any more info.

I definitely agree that you can't believe everything you read in print about it.  And many powerful people are indeed using this crisis to further their agendas.

If you assume Covid-19 is legit, your chances of catching it still aren't that high if you practice good hygiene.  According to one expert, you only have a 10% chance of catching it from a member of your household.  And if you're exposed to it casually at work, the chance drops to 0.5%.  

When any disease is spreading, confined spaces present the biggest danger.

neptune wrote:You really think so?  Interesting theory.  Thanks for the links. Yes, please use this thread to share any more info.

I definitely agree that you can't believe everything you read in print about it.  And many people are definitely using this crisis to further an agenda.

Assuming it is legit, your chances of catching it still aren't that high if you practice good hygiene.  According to one expert, you only have a 10% chance of catching it from a member of your household.  And if you're exposed to it casually at work, the chance drops to 0.5%.  

When any disease is spreading, confined spaces present the biggest danger.

Well, the virus does exist, and it will push a few weak and old people to the other side - just as happens every year with many other infections. But, almost everything about it has been faked and used to scare people into accepting the restriction of freedoms. Even the "fact" that it originated from China is suspect: https://www.globalresearch.ca/china-coronavirus-shocking-update/5705196. A genetic analysis shows the most likely origin is actually the US. The WHO claims that the virus is incurable: https://www.who.int/news-room/q-a-detail/q-a-coronaviruses#. However, the immune system is proven to work against it: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0819-2. And various substances, such as vitamin D, are proven to support the immune system: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/28202713. This isn't rocket science, I found it in a few minutes and in fact you learn about the immune system in secondary school. So what's the excuse for the WHO to not know about it? Of course, they want to push the vaccine on us, then claim that because of the WHO's heroic efforts, the infection is gone. While we will be stuck with various new anti-freedom laws like forced vaccines, more surveillance, censorship, etc.

bighax wrote: Even the "fact" that it originated from China is suspect: https://www.globalresearch.ca/china-coronavirus-shocking-update/5705196

I'll check that out.  However, I would not trust any Chinese sources on this matter—you already know what they want to be true.   And if the only sources claiming that the virus did not originate in China are from Asia, I would also be skeptical.  

The WHO claims that the virus is incurable: https://www.who.int/news-room/q-a-detail/q-a-coronaviruses#.

I'll check out that link too, but even the mass media aren't saying it's incurable.  Bizarre.

Of course, they want to push the vaccine on us, then claim that because of the WHO's heroic efforts, the infection is gone.

Very possibly.

While we will be stuck with various new anti-freedom laws like forced vaccines, more surveillance, censorship, etc.

Yep.    

Anyway, the best way to keep from getting the virus is to wash your hands regularly!

This article suggests a natural origin for the virus:

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/03/200317175442.htm

A few interesting points:

1) This article raises lot of questions about Covid-19:

https://www.greenmedinfo.com/blog/does-2019-coronavirus-exist

2) From another recent article:

"As coronavirus testing expands, reports of inaccurate test results are increasing exponentially," said Milford Molecular Diagnostics Laboratory’s director, Dr. Lee.

3) One study found that if you've had the flu vaccine, you're more susceptible to getting Covid-19.

And here's an interesting graph that helps put things in perspective:

neptune wrote:

I'll check that out.  However, I would not trust any Chinese sources on this matter—you already know what they want to be true.   And if the only sources claiming that the virus did not originate in China are from Asia, I would also be skeptical.  

It comes down to the genetic analysis, which I don't claim to be able to understand. Apparently, a few other scientists from different countries have confirmed it.

Yep.    

Seems they will now be using it to create a cashless society: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2020/03/23/will-coronavirus-spell-end-cash-britain/.

neptune wrote:
And here's an interesting graph that helps put things in perspective:

Wow, that's a really important reference. Pretty much proving it's all hype. Otherwise, why wouldn't they run a scaremongering campaign on any of the more dangerous viruses?

neptune wrote:
If you assume Covid-19 is legit, your chances of catching it still aren't that high if you practice good hygiene. According to one expert, you only have a 10% chance of catching it from a member of your household. And if you're exposed to it casually at work, the chance drops to 0.5%.

Do you have a reference for these percentages? That's very important information.

Thanks for the posts.

I've also listened to an interview with a person working at an airport, and she said that it's only since March 6th that most of the flights have been really blocked. Until then, you could almost freely fly from the Asian countries to the European and the other way too, but sometimes you'd have to choose a convoluted route. So, the authorities weren't really scared of the virus I guess? I still have part 2 of the interview to go through though.

bighax wrote:It comes down to the genetic analysis, which I don't claim to be able to understand. Apparently, a few other scientists from different countries have confirmed it.

Do you have a link to any article mentioning non-Asian scientists?     European scientists would probably be the least biased in this matter.  

So, I've heard several theories to date:

1) The virus is bio-warfare that was engineered in Canada but then sent to China.
2) It's bio-warfare that was engineered in China.
3) It arose from natural causes, probably some animal.
4) It probably originated in the U.S.  
5) The actual virus itself has never even been verified.

Well, those can't all be true.  

Seems they will now be using it to create a cashless society: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2020/03/23/will-coronavirus-spell-end-cash-britain/.

Wow, that's pretty frightening.

neptune wrote:Otherwise, why wouldn't they run a scaremongering campaign on any of the more dangerous viruses?

The only thing I can think of is the saying:  "Better the devil you know than the devil you don't."  Still, there's no excuse for all the hysteria.

Do you have a reference for these percentages? That's very important information.

Yes, from Dr. Paul Auwaerter, the clinical director for the Division of Infectious Diseases at Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine.  You can find his quote in this article:

https://amgreatness.com/2020/03/21/covid-19-the-elephant-and-the-house-cat/

Thanks for the posts.

No problem.  Thanks for all the info that you've provided here as well.

I've also listened to an interview with a person working at an airport, and she said that it's only since March 6th that most of the flights have been really blocked. Until then, you could almost freely fly from the Asian countries to the European and the other way too, but sometimes you'd have to choose a convoluted route. So, the authorities weren't really scared of the virus I guess? I still have part 2 of the interview to go through though.

Interesting.  What airport does she work at?

Here's an interesting article published in the New England Journal of Medicine yesterday by Dr. Anthony Fauci and others.

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMe2002387

Key excerpt:

This suggests that the overall clinical consequences of Covid-19 may ultimately be more akin to those of a severe seasonal influenza (which has a case fatality rate of approximately 0.1%) or a pandemic influenza (similar to those in 1957 and 1968) rather than a disease similar to SARS or MERS . . .

There's one really confusing thing, though.  This article was originally published online on February 28.  So, have Dr. Fauci and his colleagues "updated" or "clarified" their assessment since then?

And get a load of this.  In the U.S., they've closed down the Great Smoky Mountains National Park:

https://www.nps.gov/grsm/learn/news/park-closes-to-support-regional-covid-19-prevention-efforts.htm

Yeah, that's really going to help.  It's almost like these officials are thinking, "Hey, all the other kids are doin' it!  Why should we be left out???"  

Do any of these leaders and public officials have any real brains????  Sadly, it's mainly the news media who are creating all the frenzy.  Well, maybe Don Henley needs to update the lyrics to his old song just a little bit:  

We got the bubble-headed bleach-blonde,
Who comes on at five,
She can tell you 'bout the coronavirus,
With a gleam in her eye,
It's interesting when people die!

Here's a helpful article about overcoming coronavirus anxiety, which seems to be worse than the actual virus:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/mar/26/fear-of-covid-19-is-a-mental-contagion-ben-okri

There is a great difference between panic and awareness. With awareness there is responsibility, a respect for the scale of the problem, and a calm consciousness of what needs to be done. . . .

Many friends I spoke to on the phone said that just from reading too much about it, there were times at night when they felt pains in their chests or a fleeting inability to breathe. A few moments later they felt better. After a check-up, they found nothing wrong with them. They had simply imagined intensely the symptoms they read about and began to experience them in their bodies. It occurred to me that there might be a dimension to the pandemic that could be called mental contagion.

To tweak a couple of lines from an old Whitney Houston song:

I get so emotional, baby—every time I think of Covid-19 anew!!!!
I get so emotional, baby,
Ain't it shocking what . . . the media can do??
 

neptune wrote:
So, I've heard several theories to date:

1) The virus is bio-warfare that was engineered in Canada but then sent to China.
2) It's bio-warfare that was engineered in China.
3) It arose from natural causes, probably some animal.
4) It probably originated in the U.S.  
5) The actual virus itself has never even been verified.

Well, those can't all be true.  

I'm thinking most of those theories are disinformation, so that people fight among themselves over which one is true. When in reality the virus is mostly an artifact of the minds of the panic spreaders, who took some flu cases, some cases from other diseases, hyped it up to eleven and claimed it all as the mighty coronavirus. When a single "coronavirus" doesn't even exist.

Yes, from Dr. Paul Auwaerter, the clinical director for the Division of Infectious Diseases at Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine.  You can find his quote in this article:

https://amgreatness.com/2020/03/21/covid-19-the-elephant-and-the-house-cat/

Thanks for that link. Lots of insightful stuff in there.

nteresting.  What airport does she work at?

An Italian airport. The interview is in Polish language (she's a Pole living in Italy). Maybe I will translate the relevant parts. For now, she says that on March 6, you could still fly from Italy, to Moscow, then to Chinese cities. Or from Italy to London, and then to New York. She knows since she was handling those flights. The first flight restriction at all happened on February 24, almost two months after the virus discovery. It's possible the flights were still unblocked after March 6, but she stopped working. Still have to listen to part 2.

Also, look at how they're now faking individual stories: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8159309/Schoolgirl-16-no-underlying-medical-conditions-Frances-youngest-coronavirus-victim.html. Healthy 16 year old claimed to die from coronavirus, and yet 3 tests came out negative before the single positive one. Can't make this up

bighax wrote:
I'm thinking most of those theories are disinformation, so that people fight among themselves over which one is true.

Possibly.

When in reality the virus is mostly an artifact of the minds of the panic spreaders, who took some flu cases, some cases from other diseases, hyped it up to eleven and claimed it all as the mighty coronavirus. When a single "coronavirus" doesn't even exist.

Pretty much.  It's also interesting how this is all occurring during an important election year in the U.S.  A coincidence?  I suspect not.    

Thanks for that link. Lots of insightful stuff in there.

Glad to be of any help.  Yes, it's a helpful article.  But if you tried to "spread" any of that information over on MTF, many folks over there would probably still reject it and keep on saying, "Shut up—we're all gonna die!!!"  Why?  Because it's always more fun and exciting to be a drama queen    than to embrace cold, hard logic, which is so boring.   And being a drama queen and playing the victim makes people feel important.  

An Italian airport. The interview is in Polish language (she's a Pole living in Italy). Maybe I will translate the relevant parts.

Oh, you speak Polish?

She knows since she was handling those flights. The first flight restriction at all happened on February 24, almost two months after the virus discovery. It's possible the flights were still unblocked after March 6, but she stopped working. Still have to listen to part 2.

Do you know when they stopped most of the flights?  And why?

Also, look at how they're now faking individual stories: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8159309/Schoolgirl-16-no-underlying-medical-conditions-Frances-youngest-coronavirus-victim.html. Healthy 16 year old claimed to die from coronavirus, and yet 3 tests came out negative before the single positive one. Can't make this up

The article isn't really clear about the total number of tests.  It says she took three tests, all of which were negative.  Then it states that the hospital called and said that one of the tests was in fact positive.  Did she actually take a fourth test?  Not sure.  But regardless, they just cherry-pick the one result that they want???    Why weren't additional tests ordered??  I feel sorry for the girl and her loved ones, but am not at all convinced that she died from Covid-19.

Incidentally, as the weather warms up, that greatly reduces the spread of most viruses.  Even less reason to panic.  

Well, here's the money quote of the day:

Emergencies have always been the pretext on which the safeguards of individual liberty have been eroded. — F. A. Hayek

Oh, and here's another quote for good measure:

The coronavirus—it's anything you want it to be!!!!  

Someone wrote these comments on another board:

They are going to say it is the coronavirus that killed those people, not the flu. Actually there are hundreds of coronaviruses, not just Covid-19. We all carry various coronavirus in our body. The test they give for Covid-19 is actually a test for any coronavirus. Even if you don't have Covid-19 you will test positive if you have any other coronavirus in your body. They will diagnose you with Covid-19 even if all you have is some benign coronavirus. That is why the figures are so high for infection of Covid-19. It is a false reading designed to mislead the public. It is very deceptive and a scam. This is more about controlling the people and getting them to obediently quarantine and lock themselves down than it is about Covid-19. And the perfect time to pass a financial bill that pumps $6.2 trillion of fiat money into the economy to keep the charade going and cause massive inflation (all blamed on Covid-19). And do you really think the government cares about our health? They don't give a rat's behind about your[s] or anyone else's health. This is not about our health. It goes beyond that. It is about controlling us.

Yeah, I speak Polish. Part 2 of the interview was much more interesting. She repeated that up until March 6, you could still fly in and out of Wuhan. She also said that the "pandemic" is a "fight for our hearts and souls" and forces you to reevaluate your life. Italy is a culture of hugging, kissing etc. and now you're prevented from doing that. If you live with kids or spouse you hate, you'd be able to send them to school or go to work to flee your spouse, but now thanks to the quarantine, you can't. But if you live with a family you like, then you'll be fine according to her.

The government ran a propaganda campaign to "stay at home", "we'll get through this together", trying to get people to leave their jobs for a while. But what actually happened was that the big businesses survive while the small ones are dying and their employees apparently didn't even get paid for the time they had to stay at home (this is about Italy).

She's predicting that Italy won't be able to pay off the loans from EU, and might have to close down people's bank accounts.

One big polish mainstream media website (onet.pl) apparently ran an article called "How our streets are empty". So they put up a few photos including a photo of snow in Warsaw - even though it was 10 degrees of Celsius in there back then. Then a few hours later they took down the doctored photo. The media just shamelessly lies.

When they were trying to raise the retirement age, both Italy and Poland ran a propaganda campaign on TV. In Italy it was "even the shitty countries like Poland are doing this, so we have too!" and in Poland "all the most developed countries are doing this, so we have to as well" (I can confirm the latter). It seems the media in all countries is ran by the same people. According to her it's 4 international agencies that run all the media (haven't confirmed this, but will read about it later).

She repeated that Italy's stats are bullshit, and that if you look at countries like Nepal or other African countries, they pretty much don't have covid cases.

She's saying that anyone with a slight fever is now running to the hospitals in Italy (because of media scare tactics) and that shoots up the stats.

One really insightful quote "turn off your TV and turn on your thinking"

Oh and, at the end of the interview, another important thing that was mentioned is the fact that the "alternative" media is spreading even more fear and crappy theories than the mainstream. I can agree with it when you read sites like naturalnews or zerohedge, which went all in on the "we're all going to die" theories. It's really sad, because I especially liked reading naturalnews before. I thought the main admin was really a smart guy, but then he fell for this crap and turned his site almost into an insane asylum.

About MTF: it might as well be called the Coronavirus Panic Unit now. Pretty much zero tennis discussion in there for a long time. Even the tennis threads eventually degrade into "we're gonna die!".

bighax wrote:Yeah, I speak Polish.

Oh, that's neat.  About the only Polish word I know is kielbasa.  

Part 2 of the interview was much more interesting. She repeated that up until March 6, you could still fly in and out of Wuhan. She also said that the "pandemic"

What's really the "pandemic" is the actual hysteria.  

But what actually happened was that the big businesses survive while the small ones are dying and their employees apparently didn't even get paid for the time they had to stay at home (this is about Italy).

That's disgusting.  In the U.S., I believe that if you force a business to close for a while, you have to provide them compensation.  But the state governors aren't doing that.  Maybe if they had to suspend their own paychecks, they'd change their tunes.  

She's predicting that Italy won't be able to pay off the loans from EU, and might have to close down people's bank accounts.

Very frightening.  

One big polish mainstream media website (onet.pl) apparently ran an article called "How our streets are empty". So they put up a few photos including a photo of snow in Warsaw - even though it was 10 degrees of Celsius in there back then. Then a few hours later they took down the doctored photo. The media just shamelessly lies.

What was the whole purpose of lying about the snow?  Yes, the media shamelessly lies.  In fact, even Thomas Jefferson said that way back in 1807, and now things are probably a hundred times worse.  

According to her it's 4 international agencies that run all the media (haven't confirmed this, but will read about it later).

That wouldn't surprise me.  

She repeated that Italy's stats are bullshit

I suspected that might be the case.

She's saying that anyone with a slight fever is now running to the hospitals in Italy (because of media scare tactics) and that shoots up the stats.

Never mind if they have the actual "virus" or not.  

One really insightful quote "turn off your TV and turn on your thinking"

Makes sense.  And turn off most Internet news as well.  

another important thing that was mentioned is the fact that the "alternative" media is spreading even more fear and crappy theories than the mainstream.

Well, there are thousands of such alternative Web sites.  They probably vary widely. The ones I usually look at don't really seem to be feeding the hysteria.  

I can agree with it when you read sites like naturalnews or zerohedge, which went all in on the "we're all going to die" theories.

OK.  I'm not familiar with those sites, but that's sad to hear.  

It's really sad, because I especially liked reading naturalnews before. I thought the main admin was really a smart guy, but then he fell for this crap and turned his site almost into an insane asylum.

Well, their articles on nutrition are probably okay to read—just skip anything related to Covid-19.  

I've found that it's best to limit reading the news on the Web to just a few minutes a day.  More than that, and it makes me uneasy.  Most of the time, you're not missing out on anything important anyway.

About MTF: it might as well be called the Coronavirus Panic Unit now.

Or CPU.  

Pretty much zero tennis discussion in there for a long time. Even the tennis threads eventually degrade into "we're gonna die!".

It's gotten very boring there.  Even though some of the posters are rational, there's too much drivel.  Well, at least it's a diversion from the GOAT debate.    I haven't been visiting there much lately.  

Concerning the cancellation of Wimbledon, the good news is that I think the fraud known as Serena is done winning Grand Slams.  It's also kind of funny that Federer's "break" isn't going to help him much.    I believe he's done winning Grand Slams as well.  Yes, I know we hear that every year, but this time I think it's for real.  No way he's going to win Wimby at almost 40.  

Well, at least now he has plenty of time to recover from his "surgery."  

I don't know why they lied about the snow thing. I guess they just didn't want to put too much effort into their report, which was likely ordered from above. So they maybe threw in some old photos in there.

Yeah, I don't visit very many alternative sites either. But I was a follower of naturalnews for many years, and he was always exposing the fake mainstream theories. Now he's all of a sudden jumping on the mainstream train for some reason - except he's hyping the virus even more than they do. Suspicious.

It's apparently six companies, not four, that own all the media. Not much difference I guess. But I thought Sony wasn't really a news company. https://www.webfx.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/the-6-companies-that-own-almost-all-media-infographic3.jpg.

As for tennis, I have no idea why they decided it's not going to happen so early on. How do they know the virus won't just go away by June? It's another propaganda.

I was wondering if you have E-mail or something, so we could communicate in private.

bighax wrote:I don't know why they lied about the snow thing. I guess they just didn't want to put too much effort into their report, which was likely ordered from above. So they maybe threw in some old photos in there.

Journalism at its finest.  

Yeah, I don't visit very many alternative sites either. But I was a follower of naturalnews for many years, and he was always exposing the fake mainstream theories. Now he's all of a sudden jumping on the mainstream train for some reason - except he's hyping the virus even more than they do. Suspicious.

Must be some money involved.    

It's apparently six companies, not four, that own all the media. Not much difference I guess. But I thought Sony wasn't really a news company. https://www.webfx.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/the-6-companies-that-own-almost-all-media-infographic3.jpg

That image actually gives details for only the first 3 companies.  Didn't know that about Sony.  Sad to say, I used to work for one of those companies.  And don't miss it a bit.  

As for tennis, I have no idea why they decided it's not going to happen so early on. How do they know the virus won't just go away by June? It's another propaganda.

Or just panic and peer pressure:  "Hey, everybody else is canceling, so we'll do it too!!!"

I was wondering if you have E-mail or something, so we could communicate in private.

I really don't check my e-mail that regularly, and also get a lot of spam.  As a result, I have a big backlog.  This site has private messages.  So, your best bet for me to see a message you want to send is to just send me a PM here.  At least we won't have to worry about it getting lost in all the spam.  

neptune wrote:
I really don't check my e-mail that regularly, and also get a lot of spam.  As a result, I have a big backlog.  This site has private messages.  So, your best bet for me to see a message you want to send is to just send me a PM here.  At least we won't have to worry about it getting lost in all the spam.  

Okay. You know, certain things I don't want to say publicly, and this site might go down at any time (it's a free host and I don't even have access to the files on it, or even the post database). If you change your mind you can reach me at mtf@riseup.net.

BTW, watch this video: https://www.bitchute.com/video/XxeGUIBPVleu/. Pretty much confirms the "overcrowded hospital" theory is fake too. Media has also been found to be using the same footage in different coutries for their "overcrowded hospitals" : https://invidio.us/watch?v=5pIMD1enwd4. Seems like a proof that they are all controlled by the same people.

I've avoided MTF for the past two weeks. Came back to try to spread some sanity: https://www.menstennisforums.com/threads/covid-19-was-planned-or-its-just-strange-coincendfnce.988546/#post-41482146. Let's see the effects but I am not too hopeful.

bighax wrote:
I've avoided MTF for the past two weeks. Came back to try to spread some sanity: https://www.menstennisforums.com/threads/covid-19-was-planned-or-its-just-strange-coincendfnce.988546/#post-41482146. Let's see the effects but I am not too hopeful.

Received one relatively sane response (thanks G100.sic) and two that contained only insults. No one cares about the evidence, should have expected at the "CPU"

bighax wrote:
Okay. You know, certain things I don't want to say publicly, and this site might go down at any time (it's a free host and I don't even have access to the files on it, or even the post database).

OK, I just archived this thread and a couple of others at the Wayback Machine.  So, if this site goes down, we'll survive the infection.  
 

If you change your mind you can reach me at mtf@riseup.net.

Thanks.  If I get the urge to say something really naughty, I'll shoot you a line.  

BTW, watch this video: https://www.bitchute.com/video/XxeGUIBPVleu/. Pretty much confirms the "overcrowded hospital" theory is fake too.

Wow.  Thanks for these videos.  

Media has also been found to be using the same footage in different coutries for their "overcrowded hospitals" : https://invidio.us/watch?v=5pIMD1enwd4. Seems like a proof that they are all controlled by the same people.

Yep.  All this stuff is like something straight out of the novel 1984.  

bighax wrote:
Received one relatively sane response (thanks G100.sic)

Isn't that the same guy who was spouting obscenities about a week ago concerning "anti-vaxxers"?  Also, I think one of his responses to your posts was negative.  He doesn't just seem very rational to me.  

No one cares about the evidence, should have expected at the "CPU"

 You could say that they're "spellbound."  Many of them are so brainwashed that they can't really think for themselves.  Trying to make intelligent posts like that on CPU is like casting pearls before swine.  

I posted these lyrics from an Aimee Mann song in the Serena thread, but I think they bear repeating:

People are tricky, you can't afford to show,
Anything risky, anything they don't know,
The moment you try, well, kiss it goodbye . . . .

 

And this quote from Norwegian playwright Henrik Ibsen is very insightful:

The majority is never right. Never, I tell you! That's one of these lies in society that no free and intelligent man can ever help rebelling against. Who are the people that make up the biggest proportion of the population -- the intelligent ones or the fools? I think we can agree it's the fools, no matter where you go in this world, it's the fools that form the overwhelming majority.

Oh, this is interesting.  Apparently the virus probably came from bats in a lab.  Yes, I know what I said about not trusting Chinese researchers, but since their paper has gotten censored, I believe what they said is the real deal:  

https://bitterwinter.org/yes-the-virus-came-from-wuhan/

And this article discusses the same paper:

https://www.thenews.com.pk/print/615052-did-coronavirus-originate-in-chinese-govt-laboratory

neptune wrote:
Isn't that the same guy who was spouting obscenities about a week ago concerning "anti-vaxxers"? Also, I think one of his responses to your posts was negative. He doesn't just seem very rational to me.

Yeah forget about that. He compared me to a flat-earther now Cool story bro.

bighax wrote:
Yeah forget about that. He compared me to a flat-earther now Cool story bro.

That's what people do when they have no strong argument of their own.  It's right up there with "bigot," "racist," "male chauvinist," and "homophobe."  

You know what they say:

If you can't beat 'em, call 'em crazy.  

The diagram below is pretty neat.   And with his "argument," that dude on MTF is obviously scraping right around the bottom of the pickle barrel.  

Oh, this kind of funny (well, not if you work for the company ):

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/world/corona-beer-report-loss-coronavirus-outbreak-a4373606.html

neptune wrote:
That's what people do when they have no strong argument of their own.  It's right up there with "bigot," "racist," "male chauvinist," and "homophobe."  

You know what they say:

If you can't beat 'em, call 'em crazy.  

The diagram below is pretty neat.   And with his "argument," that dude on MTF is obviously scraping right around the bottom of the pickle barrel.  

Yeah, being called a "conspiracy theorist" is the "get out of jail free card" to shutdown the debate. As if the official stories had a better track record

So I haven't done any more research, but just an update from Poland: police and army are now walking around, checking for social distance violations. The cop cars are driving around, shouting through a megaphone, reminding people to stay at home and keep their distance. They're also running a propaganda campaign that literally tells you to not talk to anyone. Surely they're only caring for our health. Surely

bighax wrote:
Yeah, being called a "conspiracy theorist" is the "get out of jail free card" to shutdown the debate.

Pretty much.  And I think Mark Twain hit the nail on the head when he said:

Never argue with stupid people.  They will drag you down to their level, and then beat you with experience.  

So I haven't done any more research, but just an update from Poland

Do you live in Poland?

police and army are now walking around, checking for social distance violations. The cop cars are driving around, shouting through a megaphone, reminding people to stay at home and keep their distance.

Wow, almost like a police state.  

I heard that in a neighboring county, the National Guard was patrolling everywhere yesterday.  And in the county where I live, there's a 6 p.m. curfew.  Apparently someone who drove from another county to our county to go grocery shopping recently in violation of the curfew was handed a $1,500 ticket!  

They're also running a propaganda campaign that literally tells you to not talk to anyone. Surely they're only caring for our health. Surely

It's insane.  I've heard that a lot of elderly people are saying they've never seen anything like this situation in their entire lives.

P.S.  Apparently somebody new has now registered on this board.  Based on his name, it must be a Thiem fan.